Subject	You do know that all that has been done already---->
Posted by	Kyle(Houston) on February 25, 2003 at 7:39 AM
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In Reply To	calling all n/a's!!!!! posted by ZenthuZiast on February 25, 2003 at 01:03 AM
Message	The N/A motor with turbos we did a couple of years back and found out just like Z1 that it is just as cheap to do the TT swap. Almost all the N/A guys I talk to about doing a conversion or a TT setup on their stock motor whine about the price. The supercharger has been done also and requires the removal of the Air Conditioner. Here comes the whining again...."I don't want to loose my A/C". Plus by the time you are done with the cost of the supercharger, piping, etc.. you are still in the range of the TT conversion. So honestly if you *really* want the power of a TT then either 1. Loose your A/C for a supercharger 2. Add N2O 3. Pay the money for the TT conversion 4. Trade your car for a TT The problem with 1 and 2 is any TT you run up aginst who is stage 3 or higher(which is probably 90%+) will still stomp you. I am not bashing on the N/A but I am being realistic. Kyle "Grumpy Bear" Puckett Sales@sgpracing.com
Follow Ups	calling all n/a's!!!!! - ZenthuZiast 01:03:33 02/25/03 This is the best idea I've heard in a while... - Skee_lo1212 01:09:38 02/25/03 Im so glad that other people can relate... - ZenthuZiast 01:13:28 02/25/03 i wouldnt mind forced induction. cost+reliability are big - Z U N L 01:59:30 02/25/03 your post made me all tingley inside, lol - ZEngineer 01:27:27 02/25/03 buy a TT (n/m) - Spee 13:29:04 02/25/03 shouldn't you be out making a snow-man? (n/m) - ZEngineer 14:14:17 02/25/03 nah, more snow coming in 2 days...I will do it then :) (n/m) - Spee 14:50:16 02/25/03 ^yawn^ (n/m) - Jjzx 01:30:11 02/25/03 2nd that. (n/m) - YugoBernie (NoVA) 12:44:01 02/25/03 why not get over it and just buy a TT? They have become - NissanRacing98 (OH) 02:28:53 02/25/03 Just Curious, what's the Max HP a NA engine will handle? - ChazZ 03:04:09 02/25/03 The mode of failure will either be the piston or the exhaust - AshsZ (FABio) 08:58:35 02/25/03 TT & NA rods and cranks same? Wow, never knew that. - Milo (San Antonio, TX.) 10:57:10 02/25/03 dude...its been in the NA>>TT sticky for a long time (n/m) - aliaZ 11:17:13 02/25/03 Guess I just never caught it. Had a TT only concerned w/me. (n/m) - Milo (San Antonio, TX.) 15:42:31 02/25/03 1 think you're overlooking many things - ZEngineer 06:48:46 02/25/03 Thank God, someone here with a brain in his head. - KILLR300ZX 13:20:00 02/25/03 hit the nail on the head...well said Doc. (n/m) - Spee 13:30:19 02/25/03 :) (n/m) - NissanRacing98 (OH) 13:50:34 02/25/03 Re: calling all n/a's!!!!! - SactoTodd 02:55:45 02/25/03 OBVOIUSLY, you haven't researched the conversion. - ZenthuZiast 09:51:08 02/25/03 dude, sense when do ppl cut and splice radiators? - Halo Z 10:17:47 02/25/03 Hahahaha - ZenthuZiast 14:36:03 02/25/03 your worse than a virgin going to prom thinking - Halo Z 15:31:35 02/25/03 Re: OBVIOUSLY, I'd use TT parts. - SactoTodd 10:23:39 02/25/03 you're an idiot (n/m) - Spee 13:33:38 02/25/03 OBVIOUSLY, you dont know what you are talking about - Grendelrt(VA) 14:51:02 02/25/03 what the hell... - Chris-TTZ 03:05:37 02/25/03 what "bottom end" differences are you refering to? (n/m) - Z1 Motorsports 09:00:46 02/25/03 suppose i should have said short block components. - Chris-TTZ 11:49:36 02/25/03 agreed. - ZenthuZiast 14:31:35 02/25/03 Re: agreed. - Chris-TTZ 03:26:48 02/26/03 I'm in. Time to play around with my SMT5 (n/m) - Keepsake 04:06:24 02/25/03 I am down. (n/m) - Gizmo600R 07:15:26 02/25/03 Yes, but ho wlong is teh NA engine gonna last under so - George(boostsolutionsinc.net) 07:24:08 02/25/03 George, would it be correct to say that - ZEngineer 07:37:56 02/25/03 We made 340RWHP at 11psi. I know of no TT making those - AshsZ (FABio) 08:00:39 02/25/03 Good question. We'll have to see >>> - AshsZ (FABio) 07:56:05 02/25/03 Just as long as your TT>>> - Z1 Motorsports 08:19:58 02/25/03 OPEN your mind. Think OUTSIDE of the box. - niXit 08:27:00 02/25/03 Ditto, I talked to my machinest/engine builder the other - Mal1ce 10:35:03 02/25/03 Shh, let the "low compression is best" idea remain - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 12:24:46 02/25/03 What I am saying is that putting the lower compression - George(boostsolutionsinc.net) 11:50:00 02/25/03 28 dyno pulls in 2 hrs & 21 track runs. Speaks for itself (n/m) - Z1 Motorsports 12:02:42 02/25/03 Itb is all about max cylinder pressure, but you are 100% - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 12:06:07 02/25/03 This is a daily driver and changing pistons >>> - Z1 Motorsports 12:18:55 02/25/03 Looks like I went the wrong route. It is not that late >>> - George(boostsolutionsinc.net) 11:58:26 02/25/03 Drag cars run 12:1 with 30 psi of boost on gasoline - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 12:09:19 02/25/03 You do know that all that has been done already----> - Kyle(Houston) 07:39:23 02/25/03 Tell you what, rather than just *talk* about it Kyle, - AshsZ (FABio) 07:59:07 02/25/03 Actually....that is *exactly* why I have not done it---> - Kyle(Houston) 08:04:57 02/25/03 I can SC a Z32 without removing the AC. guarunteed. - niXit 08:08:37 02/25/03 We have thought about that also---> - Kyle(Houston) 08:39:10 02/25/03 i was more concerned about engine flex/motor-mount torque. - niXit 09:23:16 02/25/03 Is that THAT much more than the TT conversion? - ZenthuZiast 13:51:02 02/25/03 and a much weaker top end - Spee 01:07:03 02/26/03 ugh (n/m) - Guapo 08:13:56 02/25/03 The desire is there but the cash isn't. Why do you think... - JRH(KY) 08:57:47 02/25/03 Not always so..... - DutchZX 09:14:34 02/25/03 Never is an impossible term. Anything is possible. - AshsZ (FABio) 09:41:02 02/25/03 99.9% of these NA conversion wannabes aren't able to - JRH(KY) 10:16:53 02/25/03 We'll see what happens - I'm not forming any presumptions - AshsZ (FABio) 10:22:43 02/25/03 there will always be someone to criticize and put you down - ZEngineer 10:33:01 02/25/03 So true. =) (n/m) - AshsZ (FABio) 11:42:41 02/25/03 soo true! - ZenthuZiast 14:01:43 02/25/03 Then bookmark this. I'll be right. The Z32's lifespan - JRH(KY) 10:40:27 02/25/03 That is the bottom line from a business perspective - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 12:04:00 02/25/03 Sounds good. (n/m) - AshsZ (FABio) 13:16:31 02/25/03 100% agree. and only 1% have the $$$ to do it. (n/m) - niXit 10:35:22 02/25/03 it's not only about money, it's priorities & availability (n/m) - ZEngineer 10:14:31 02/25/03 "Most of us dream of a conversion to TT," lol... - drewiiiwerd 09:03:15 02/25/03 where are you going to put a supercharger? - fairladyz90999 09:10:20 02/25/03 custom hood, custom plenum - fast and furious Charger style. - AshsZ (FABio) 09:48:17 02/25/03 sold... sign ME up! - rave 09:17:59 02/25/03 mindless follower (n/m) - Spee 13:46:33 02/25/03 More like a hopeful with faith. (n/m) - ZenthuZiast 13:53:23 02/25/03 excuse me? (n/m) - rave 14:35:10 02/25/03 did you fart? I said MINDLESS FOLLOWER. - Spee 14:49:35 02/25/03 and so if you drive a TT your NOT a mindless follower? (n/m) - rave 23:38:45 02/25/03 how the hell did you draw THAT conclusion? (n/m) - Spee 01:03:52 02/26/03 you figure it out :oP (n/m) - rave 09:23:22 02/26/03 im down if i can save up the $$$$ (n/m) - Japocalipse 09:33:21 02/25/03 Very Interested & curious to see how the NA handles boost - DarkZader 09:50:43 02/25/03 We made 340RWHP at 11psi on the NA engine. Did you see - AshsZ (FABio) 09:56:34 02/25/03 Re: I didn't see the post but i got some Questions? - DarkZader 12:00:51 02/25/03 its not that refined yet. - ZenthuZiast 13:33:01 02/25/03 if i wanted a TT i would have got one. (n/m) - Halo Z 10:06:46 02/25/03 If someone wants a SC'd Z, they can get one too. - AshsZ (FABio) 10:17:56 02/25/03 ADMIN: Do we HAVE to put up with this kind of CRAP? - AshsZ (FABio) 11:01:47 02/25/03 so would all your posts calling ppl ASS CLOWNS. (n/m) - Halo Z 11:04:35 02/25/03 So are you saying that because I called someone an assclown - AshsZ (FABio) 11:20:44 02/25/03 Nice logic. Too bad it's an assclowny kind of statement. - Greg (Dallas) 11:29:43 02/25/03 every thing changes when it envolves you right ash? (n/m) - Halo Z 11:37:34 02/25/03 When the involvement shifts from you to me, I would assume - AshsZ (FABio) 11:45:56 02/25/03 "I would assume" well explains the WHOLE THING RIGHT THERE. (n/m) - Halo Z 11:53:57 02/25/03 Yup. (n/m) - AshsZ (FABio) 13:14:24 02/25/03 Like you calling people assclowns. (n/m) - Greg (Dallas) 11:09:12 02/25/03 bahahaha (n/m) - Tennyson (ATL) 11:10:21 02/25/03 Shall I say it more politically correct? LOL - AshsZ (FABio) 11:15:49 02/25/03 No, you're just being you >> - Greg (Dallas) 11:23:05 02/25/03 ROFL @ "Just stop shooting yourself in the dick" (n/m) - Atti2de 12:19:20 02/25/03 how does it feel to have to play the "daddy" role here? =) (n/m) - ZEngineer 12:39:56 02/25/03 Ok. (n/m) - AshsZ (FABio) 13:17:36 02/25/03 I made that same point and you said you should delete it. - ZenthuZiast 13:29:54 02/25/03 What kind of SC? Eaton, Moss, Wipple, etc? - Escort Z 10:39:54 02/25/03 what kind would you like??? - ZenthuZiast 10:44:41 02/25/03 exhaust driven would be fine, thanks. (n/m) - SactoTodd 11:25:59 02/25/03 Dont you like power throughout your powerband? (n/m) - ZenthuZiast 13:27:32 02/25/03 I like efficient power, how about you? (n/m) - Spee 13:51:37 02/25/03 it could be overcome - ZenthuZiast 13:56:30 02/25/03 welcome newbie... couple short things... - niXit 11:31:52 02/25/03 yes, you understand! - ZenthuZiast 13:26:47 02/25/03 this entire thread, and we learn you are STONED. - niXit 14:46:28 02/25/03 Forced induction on a VG30DE. Not sure on the charger - - AshsZ (FABio) 11:12:12 02/25/03 Vortech S trim.... (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 11:19:00 02/25/03 Is that a centrifugal or roots type? (n/m) - AshsZ (FABio) 11:45:02 02/25/03 I "believe" that all Vortech SCs are centrifugal - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 12:01:50 02/25/03 lmao. =) (n/m) - AshsZ (FABio) 12:55:55 02/25/03 I'm open to new ideas like the next guy. - Escort Z 14:58:02 02/25/03 For those of you out there who doubt, whine, bitch, and moan - ZenthuZiast 10:41:29 02/25/03 You know... now you're getting irritating ... - Greg (Dallas) 11:28:06 02/25/03 at least you made a valid point - ZenthuZiast 13:21:50 02/25/03 I am more then willing to help. I agree it needs 2 be done - niXit 11:41:42 02/25/03 JWT ECU on the way!? :) - ZBlacktt 13:34:50 02/25/03 Spare us the drama and cut the crap William Wallace. - Spee 14:07:01 02/25/03 Re: Spare us the drama and cut the crap William Wallace. - ZenthuZiast 14:16:54 02/25/03 Re: Re: Spare us the drama and cut the crap William Wallace. - Spee 14:42:58 02/25/03 Re: Re: Re: Spare us the drama and cut the crap William Wallace. - ZenthuZiast 14:59:27 02/25/03 Re: Re: Re: Re: Spare us the drama and cut the crap William Wallace. - Spee 16:28:47 02/25/03 LOL, another logical thinker.......lol ;)~ (n/m) - ZBlacktt 14:20:21 02/25/03 Interested depending on cost... - DrChoda 10:46:24 02/25/03 READ the link to Z1's/AshsZ post and see what "just an N/A" - ZenthuZiast 10:59:01 02/25/03 I understand some of the fundamentals.... - DrChoda 13:47:24 02/25/03 A good S/C setup will only add ~75-100 FWHP----> - Kyle(Houston) 11:22:32 02/25/03 100% agree. it comes down to money. and a LOT of it. (n/m) - niXit 11:34:49 02/25/03 I like the projects :) - ZBlacktt 13:23:04 02/25/03 Thanks, I appreciate the support! (n/m) - ZenthuZiast 13:35:07 02/25/03 To get 500rwhp, your still going to need a lot of money and - ZBlacktt 13:51:15 02/25/03 finally, someone who wants to dance! - ZenthuZiast 13:59:58 02/25/03 Stg V/Stg VI TT's run 11 sec's and yes stock turbo's - ZBlacktt 14:11:09 02/25/03 sweet. - ZenthuZiast 14:20:31 02/25/03 Re: Stg V/Stg VI TT's run 11 sec's and yes stock turbo's (n/m) - ZenthuZiast 14:21:55 02/25/03 Amen Bro! :o) (n/m) - rave 23:40:54 02/25/03 LMAO! That was funny, thanks. - Spee 13:27:56 02/25/03 Sign me up!! oh wait nevermind, i own a TT!!!! =P (n/m) - Ted(Snowflake Customs) 16:36:50 02/25/03 ohhhhhhh funny NOT! (n/m) - rave 09:25:25 02/26/03
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